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		<title>by: koran</title>
		<link>http://heliolith.com/archives/2005/05/31/human-rights-who-will-lead/#comment-35613</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: michael</title>
		<link>http://heliolith.com/archives/2005/05/31/human-rights-who-will-lead/#comment-2270</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Personally I have no doubt that the Newsweek story was true.  To me the issue of precisely how the Qu'ran was mistreated is somewhat irrelevant, suffice it to say that human rights and religious freedoms have been frequently trampled by all players in the war as well as by the guards of US-run concentration camps like Camp X-ray in Guantanamo.  

Since you raise the point of what actually happened, and there is clearly, an issue of accuracy in reporting, a perusal of the media is thick with stories that purport the same thing.  Why would Newsweek's story be bogus?  There was simply a confidential source who balked under pressure and refused to come foward and cite his sources.  He was likely credible, the events likely real and documented (albeit classified) and the political coverup fast and self-righteous.  

After all, the disclosure that you cited on NPR was from military sources and &lt;a href=&quot;http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/06/from-friday-night-newshole-files.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was released on a Friday night&lt;/a&gt; (typically a good time for bad news to be covered-up and glossed over during the weekend).  

Here's a brief quote from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/13/AR2005051301377.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post&lt;/a&gt;.    &lt;blockquote&gt; Earlier this year, lawyers representing Kuwaitis held at Guantanamo said their clients told them that military police threw at least one Koran into a toilet. A released Afghan named Ehsannullah told The Washington Post in 2003 that U.S. soldiers taunted him by doing the same thing. Three Britons released last year also said Korans were put into toilets by U.S. guards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The reality is far worse is going on well beyond the public eye, this is obvious from the glimpses that leak despite a thick wall of collusion between a media-savvy administration and a media-web &quot;sin huevos.&quot;  Newsweek is a convenient political piñata for the right wing, but the inability to cite a confidential source is far from telling me that the story is bogus.  

Why, after all did the administration not bash the Washington Post, the BBC, the Hartford Corant, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Miami Herald, or the New York Times, when they reported mostly identical stories on seperate occaisions?   

&lt;a href=&quot;http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7693014/site/newsweek/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here's a link&lt;/a&gt; to the original Newsweek article if you haven't read it.  Oh and you really should peruse &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%E1namo_Bay_Qur%27an_desecration_allegations&quot;&gt;the Wikipedia entry on this subject&lt;/a&gt; (which is where I drew the list of newspapers from)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I have no doubt that the Newsweek story was true.  To me the issue of precisely how the Qu&#8217;ran was mistreated is somewhat irrelevant, suffice it to say that human rights and religious freedoms have been frequently trampled by all players in the war as well as by the guards of US-run concentration camps like Camp X-ray in Guantanamo.  </p>
<p>Since you raise the point of what actually happened, and there is clearly, an issue of accuracy in reporting, a perusal of the media is thick with stories that purport the same thing.  Why would Newsweek&#8217;s story be bogus?  There was simply a confidential source who balked under pressure and refused to come foward and cite his sources.  He was likely credible, the events likely real and documented (albeit classified) and the political coverup fast and self-righteous.  </p>
<p>After all, the disclosure that you cited on NPR was from military sources and <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/06/from-friday-night-newshole-files.html" rel="nofollow">was released on a Friday night</a> (typically a good time for bad news to be covered-up and glossed over during the weekend).  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a brief quote from the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/13/AR2005051301377.html" rel="nofollow">Washington Post</a>.<br />
<blockquote> Earlier this year, lawyers representing Kuwaitis held at Guantanamo said their clients told them that military police threw at least one Koran into a toilet. A released Afghan named Ehsannullah told The Washington Post in 2003 that U.S. soldiers taunted him by doing the same thing. Three Britons released last year also said Korans were put into toilets by U.S. guards.</p></blockquote>
<p>The reality is far worse is going on well beyond the public eye, this is obvious from the glimpses that leak despite a thick wall of collusion between a media-savvy administration and a media-web &#8220;sin huevos.&#8221;  Newsweek is a convenient political piñata for the right wing, but the inability to cite a confidential source is far from telling me that the story is bogus.  </p>
<p>Why, after all did the administration not bash the Washington Post, the BBC, the Hartford Corant, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Miami Herald, or the New York Times, when they reported mostly identical stories on seperate occaisions?   </p>
<p><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7693014/site/newsweek/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a link</a> to the original Newsweek article if you haven&#8217;t read it.  Oh and you really should peruse <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%E1namo_Bay_Qur%27an_desecration_allegations">the Wikipedia entry on this subject</a> (which is where I drew the list of newspapers from)
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		<title>by: Talula</title>
		<link>http://heliolith.com/archives/2005/05/31/human-rights-who-will-lead/#comment-2269</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There was an investigation launched because of the Newsweek article's exposing the US government and military mistreatment of the Quran. I heard on NPR this morning that although the specific case of a soldier flushing the Quran down the toilet has not been confirmed, there have been several instances of the Quran being mishandled. Among them were stories of soldiers urinating and allowing it to splash on the prisoners and their Quran, and soldiers throwing water balloons into a cell which splashed the holy book. The tone of these broadcasts is that although there were several cases which supported the Newsweek story, ultimately, they did not do the proper research and they have been proven wrong in their assertions. I do believe that news reporters should extensively research before they report anything, especially such incendiary material. In there somewhere is the question of how much money Newsweek could afford to spend on such research. Undoubtedly the investigation would have exceeded their budget. How much research can they reasonably be expected to do before publishing? Could they at least have cited their story in a less authoritative way? Perhaps by quoting hearsay or rumors? Either way, the investigation did not prove them wrong so much as ill-phrased. Urinating on the Quran is pretty close to flushing it. They were not far from the truth at all. 

I wonder how it came to be that we have attempted to disguise our war efforts behind a humanitarian front. Is it really shocking that prisoners are beaten or disrespected? Did we really expect to send soldiers away to fight with respect and empathy, with mercy? It's a pitiful compromise and an inconceivable twist of logic that we are willing to accept a war as long as human rights are respected. The very definition of war is to diminish the humanity of a people and to crush them and the threat that they pose. Perhaps it is true, like in WWII, that war is sometimes necessary; this does not change what it means to engage in war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an investigation launched because of the Newsweek article&#8217;s exposing the US government and military mistreatment of the Quran. I heard on NPR this morning that although the specific case of a soldier flushing the Quran down the toilet has not been confirmed, there have been several instances of the Quran being mishandled. Among them were stories of soldiers urinating and allowing it to splash on the prisoners and their Quran, and soldiers throwing water balloons into a cell which splashed the holy book. The tone of these broadcasts is that although there were several cases which supported the Newsweek story, ultimately, they did not do the proper research and they have been proven wrong in their assertions. I do believe that news reporters should extensively research before they report anything, especially such incendiary material. In there somewhere is the question of how much money Newsweek could afford to spend on such research. Undoubtedly the investigation would have exceeded their budget. How much research can they reasonably be expected to do before publishing? Could they at least have cited their story in a less authoritative way? Perhaps by quoting hearsay or rumors? Either way, the investigation did not prove them wrong so much as ill-phrased. Urinating on the Quran is pretty close to flushing it. They were not far from the truth at all. </p>
<p>I wonder how it came to be that we have attempted to disguise our war efforts behind a humanitarian front. Is it really shocking that prisoners are beaten or disrespected? Did we really expect to send soldiers away to fight with respect and empathy, with mercy? It&#8217;s a pitiful compromise and an inconceivable twist of logic that we are willing to accept a war as long as human rights are respected. The very definition of war is to diminish the humanity of a people and to crush them and the threat that they pose. Perhaps it is true, like in WWII, that war is sometimes necessary; this does not change what it means to engage in war.
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